Clanger Hangar 2019

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Re: Clanger Hangar 2019

Post by Windy Hille » Mon May 27, 2019 9:21 pm

This is beyond a joke. Will we eventually produce less than 50 clangers in a game? I don’t think it was this bad last year??

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Re: Clanger Hangar 2019

Post by BenDoolan » Tue May 28, 2019 1:27 am

Windy Hille wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 9:21 pm
This is beyond a joke. Will we eventually produce less than 50 clangers in a game? I don’t think it was this bad last year??
We only had 3 occasions out of 22 where we had below 50 clangers in 2018.

Our worst Clanger count was against Richmond with 72. Interesting that we mass produced clangers against Richmond again with 80.

Never going to beat them when we produce those sort of numbers.
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Re: Clanger Hangar 2019

Post by s'dreams » Tue May 28, 2019 11:44 am

As a dumb question ... how does the clanger rate of the seniors compare to that of the VFL team (even adjusting for the lesser skill levels of many of the VFL players)?
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Re: Clanger Hangar 2019

Post by BenDoolan » Tue May 28, 2019 11:59 am

s'dreams wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 11:44 am
As a dumb question ... how does the clanger rate of the seniors compare to that of the VFL team (even adjusting for the lesser skill levels of many of the VFL players)?
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Re: Clanger Hangar 2019

Post by BenDoolan » Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:35 am

R1 = 52 clangers from 308 disposals (GWS 41 clangers from 371 disposals)
R2 = 61 clangers from 361 disposals (St.K 64 clangers from 348 disposals)
R3 = 52 clangers from 369 disposals (Melb 55 clangers from 352 disposals)
R4 = 64 clangers from 407 disposals (Bris 52 clangers from 377 disposals)
R5 = 62 clangers from 407 disposals (NM 52 clangers from 378 disposals)
R6 = 59 clangers from 392 disposals (Coll 52 clangers from 416 disposals)
R7 = 53 clangers from 371 disposals (Geel 42 clangers from 386 disposals)
R8 = 59 clangers from 329 disposals (Syd 55 clangers from 347 disposals)
R9 = 60 clangers from 427 disposals (Freo 54 clangers from 383 disposals)
R10 = 80 clangers from 350 disposals (Rich 68 clangers from 381 disposals)
R11 = 65 clangers from 418 disposals (Carl 75 clangers from 311 disposals)

Dyson Heppell 46 clangers from 300 disposals (DE: 69.3%)
Dylan Shiel 41 clangers from 279 disposals (DE: 64.9%)
Tom Bellchambers 39 clangers from 118 disposals (DE: 66.1%)
Zach Merrett 39 clangers from 318 disposals (DE: 71.1%)
Adam Saad 34 clangers from 197 disposals (DE: 81.2%)
Matt Guelfi 28 clangers from 148 disposals (DE: 65.5%)
Andrew McGrath 28clangers from 236 disposals (DE: 71.6%)
Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti 27 clangers from 119 disposals (DE: 76.5%)
Conor McKenna 27 clangers from 213 disposals (DE: 75.1%)
Jake Stringer 26 clangers from 124 disposals (DE: 58.1%)
Michael Hurley 26 clangers from 233 disposals (DE: 78.1%)
Devon Smith 25 clangers from 127 disposals (DE: 54.3%)
David Zaharakis 25 clangers from 233 disposals (DE: 73.8%)

Clangers: 667 (ranked 1st in the league)
Disposals Efficiency: 70.9% (ranked 13th in the league)
Turnovers: 847 (ranked 2nd in the league)
1%ers: 579 (ranked 6th in the league)
Tackles i50: 106 (ranked 11th in the league)
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Re: Clanger Hangar 2019

Post by Windy Hille » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:45 am

Top spot for clangers!

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Re: Clanger Hangar 2019

Post by grassy1 » Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:30 am

CLANG! :roll: #-o :oops:

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Re: Clanger Hangar 2019

Post by mdso » Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:30 pm

That is really bad. Good figures if you want to get rid of the coach tho. If we could get that 10% better it would be a lot of improvement but honestly we have a long way to go to gest onto the final series and play for the cup. A long, long, way, if you want to rock and roll.
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Re: Clanger Hangar 2019

Post by BenDoolan » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:08 pm

R1 = 52 clangers from 308 disposals (GWS 41 clangers from 371 disposals)
R2 = 61 clangers from 361 disposals (St.K 64 clangers from 348 disposals)
R3 = 52 clangers from 369 disposals (Melb 55 clangers from 352 disposals)
R4 = 64 clangers from 407 disposals (Bris 52 clangers from 377 disposals)
R5 = 62 clangers from 407 disposals (NM 52 clangers from 378 disposals)
R6 = 59 clangers from 392 disposals (Coll 52 clangers from 416 disposals)
R7 = 53 clangers from 371 disposals (Geel 42 clangers from 386 disposals)
R8 = 59 clangers from 329 disposals (Syd 55 clangers from 347 disposals)
R9 = 60 clangers from 427 disposals (Freo 54 clangers from 383 disposals)
R10 = 80 clangers from 350 disposals (Rich 68 clangers from 381 disposals)
R11 = 65 clangers from 418 disposals (Carl 75 clangers from 311 disposals)
R13 = 48 clangers from 395 disposals (Haw 53 clangers from 407 disposals)

Dyson Heppell 49 clangers from 328 disposals (DE: 69.8%)
Dylan Shiel 44 clangers from 299 disposals (DE: 65.6%)
Tom Bellchambers 39 clangers from 127 disposals (DE: 67.7%)
Zach Merrett 39 clangers from 346 disposals (DE: 71.7%)
Adam Saad 37 clangers from 217 disposals (DE: 80.2%)
Matt Guelfi 31 clangers from 163 disposals (DE: 65.6%)
Jake Stringer 30 clangers from 132 disposals (DE: 59.1%)
Conor McKenna 29 clangers from 239 disposals (DE: 75.7%)
Andrew McGrath 29clangers from 258 disposals (DE: 73.3%)
Michael Hurley 29 clangers from 259 disposals (DE: 78.4%)
Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti 27 clangers from 126 disposals (DE: 76.2%)
Cale Hooker 27 clangers from 183 disposals (DE: 73.2%)
David Zaharakis 26 clangers from 252 disposals (DE: 75.0%)

Clangers: 715 (ranked 5th in the league)
Disposals Efficiency: 71.3% (ranked 11th in the league)
Turnovers: 919 (ranked 7th in the league)
1%ers: 625 (ranked 10th in the league)
Tackles i50: 119 (ranked 11th in the league)

R13 - First match where we produced less than 50 clangers.
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Re: Clanger Hangar 2019

Post by BenDoolan » Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:51 pm

R1 = 52 clangers from 308 disposals (GWS 41 clangers from 371 disposals)
R2 = 61 clangers from 361 disposals (St.K 64 clangers from 348 disposals)
R3 = 52 clangers from 369 disposals (Melb 55 clangers from 352 disposals)
R4 = 64 clangers from 407 disposals (Bris 52 clangers from 377 disposals)
R5 = 62 clangers from 407 disposals (NM 52 clangers from 378 disposals)
R6 = 59 clangers from 392 disposals (Coll 52 clangers from 416 disposals)
R7 = 53 clangers from 371 disposals (Geel 42 clangers from 386 disposals)
R8 = 59 clangers from 329 disposals (Syd 55 clangers from 347 disposals)
R9 = 60 clangers from 427 disposals (Freo 54 clangers from 383 disposals)
R10 = 80 clangers from 350 disposals (Rich 68 clangers from 381 disposals)
R11 = 65 clangers from 418 disposals (Carl 75 clangers from 311 disposals)
R13 = 48 clangers from 395 disposals (Haw 53 clangers from 407 disposals)
R14 = 53 clangers from 372 disposals (WCE 53 clangers from 373 disposals)

Dyson Heppell 50 clangers from 358 disposals (DE: 70.1%)
Dylan Shiel 46 clangers from 321 disposals (DE: 66.0%)
Zach Merrett 45 clangers from 376 disposals (DE: 71.3%)
Tom Bellchambers 43 clangers from 144 disposals (DE: 66.7%)
Adam Saad 38 clangers from 229 disposals (DE: 79.9%)
Cale Hooker 33 clangers from 211 disposals (DE: 73.9%)
Matt Guelfi 31 clangers from 166 disposals (DE: 65.7%)
Andrew McGrath 31clangers from 276 disposals (DE: 73.6%)
Michael Hurley 31 clangers from 276 disposals (DE: 77.9%)
Jake Stringer 30 clangers from 132 disposals (DE: 59.1%)
Conor McKenna 30 clangers from 256 disposals (DE: 76.6%)
Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti 29 clangers from 132 disposals (DE: 77.3%)
David Zaharakis 28 clangers from 276 disposals (DE: 75.0%)

Clangers: 768 (ranked 2nd in the league)
Disposals Efficiency: 71.5% (ranked 11th in the league)
Turnovers: 987 (ranked 4th in the league)
1%ers: 665 (ranked 7th in the league)
Tackles i50: 121 (ranked 13th in the league)
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Re: Clanger Hangar 2019

Post by Windy Hille » Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:34 pm

Yep, clangers and turnovers are our achilles heal #-o

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Re: Clanger Hangar 2019

Post by Crazyman » Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:40 pm

Windy Hille wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:34 pm
Yep, clangers and turnovers are our achilles heal #-o
Yep, that and the coaching...

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Re: Clanger Hangar 2019

Post by Windy_Hill » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:11 am

Crazyman wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:40 pm
Windy Hille wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:34 pm
Yep, clangers and turnovers are our achilles heal #-o
Yep, that and the coaching...
The two are not mutually exclusive. The game plan is dependent on elite disposal skills. ie. Pinpoint passes into the corridor to a loose man. Problem is that two things eventuate, it pays off maybe 5 times out of 10 and when it doesn’t, the opposition are free to stroll into an undefended and open forward line. Alternately the pass goes astray resulting in the recipient being placed under the hammer and often forced to shoot out a Hail Mary handball or kick. ie Clangerville.

While it is exciting when it works, it is without question the reason for our sub par stats.

Worsfold needs to watch the game v WCE along with all of his coaching team and hopefully have an epiphany....so that’s how it’s done. That was a coaching masterclass by Simpson implemented almost perfectly by his team. And spare me the ridiculous argument their inaccuracy was due to some miracle of defensive game plan where we “forced them wide”. That was merely a consequence of repeated entries congestion get the forward line.

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Re: Clanger Hangar 2019

Post by BenDoolan » Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:56 pm

R1 = 52 clangers from 308 disposals (GWS 41 clangers from 371 disposals)
R2 = 61 clangers from 361 disposals (St.K 64 clangers from 348 disposals)
R3 = 52 clangers from 369 disposals (Melb 55 clangers from 352 disposals)
R4 = 64 clangers from 407 disposals (Bris 52 clangers from 377 disposals)
R5 = 62 clangers from 407 disposals (NM 52 clangers from 378 disposals)
R6 = 59 clangers from 392 disposals (Coll 52 clangers from 416 disposals)
R7 = 53 clangers from 371 disposals (Geel 42 clangers from 386 disposals)
R8 = 59 clangers from 329 disposals (Syd 55 clangers from 347 disposals)
R9 = 60 clangers from 427 disposals (Freo 54 clangers from 383 disposals)
R10 = 80 clangers from 350 disposals (Rich 68 clangers from 381 disposals)
R11 = 65 clangers from 418 disposals (Carl 75 clangers from 311 disposals)
R13 = 48 clangers from 395 disposals (Haw 53 clangers from 407 disposals)
R14 = 53 clangers from 372 disposals (WCE 53 clangers from 373 disposals)
R15 = 49 clangers from 325 disposals (GWS 70 clangers from 371 disposals)

Dyson Heppell 52 clangers from 381 disposals (DE: 69.9%)
Zach Merrett 50 clangers from 404 disposals (DE: 70.5%)
Dylan Shiel 46 clangers from 343 disposals (DE: 65.3%)
Tom Bellchambers 44 clangers from 155 disposals (DE: 68.4%)
Adam Saad 40 clangers from 249 disposals (DE: 79.9%)
Cale Hooker 37 clangers from 226 disposals (DE: 73.9%)
Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti 31 clangers from 143 disposals (DE: 76.9%)
Matt Guelfi 31 clangers from 166 disposals (DE: 65.7%)
Conor McKenna 31 clangers from 273 disposals (DE: 75.8%)
Michael Hurley 31 clangers from 287 disposals (DE: 78.4%)
Andrew McGrath 31clangers from 289 disposals (DE: 73.7%)
David Zaharakis 30 clangers from 295 disposals (DE: 74.9%)

Clangers: 817 (ranked 3rd in the league)
Disposals Efficiency: 71.4% (ranked 11th in the league)
Turnovers: 1066 (ranked 4th in the league)
1%ers: 707 (ranked 8th in the league)
Tackles i50: 143 (ranked 9th in the league)
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Re: Clanger Hangar 2019

Post by s'dreams » Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:22 pm

BenDoolan wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:56 pm


Clangers: 817 (ranked 3rd in the league)
Disposals Efficiency: 71.4% (ranked 11th in the league)
Turnovers: 1066 (ranked 4th in the league)
1%ers: 707 (ranked 8th in the league)
Tackles i50: 143 (ranked 9th in the league)
Massive change this week in the tackles i50 - 22 in the one game and jumped from 11th to 9th... hmmmmm did we win that one?
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Re: Clanger Hangar 2019

Post by BenDoolan » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:26 am

R1 = 52 clangers from 308 disposals (GWS 41 clangers from 371 disposals)
R2 = 61 clangers from 361 disposals (St.K 64 clangers from 348 disposals)
R3 = 52 clangers from 369 disposals (Melb 55 clangers from 352 disposals)
R4 = 64 clangers from 407 disposals (Bris 52 clangers from 377 disposals)
R5 = 62 clangers from 407 disposals (NM 52 clangers from 378 disposals)
R6 = 59 clangers from 392 disposals (Coll 52 clangers from 416 disposals)
R7 = 53 clangers from 371 disposals (Geel 42 clangers from 386 disposals)
R8 = 59 clangers from 329 disposals (Syd 55 clangers from 347 disposals)
R9 = 60 clangers from 427 disposals (Freo 54 clangers from 383 disposals)
R10 = 80 clangers from 350 disposals (Rich 68 clangers from 381 disposals)
R11 = 65 clangers from 418 disposals (Carl 75 clangers from 311 disposals)
R13 = 48 clangers from 395 disposals (Haw 53 clangers from 407 disposals)
R14 = 53 clangers from 372 disposals (WCE 53 clangers from 373 disposals)
R15 = 49 clangers from 325 disposals (GWS 70 clangers from 371 disposals)
R16 = 56 clangers from 357 disposals (Syd 64 clangers from 404 disposals)

Dyson Heppell 52 clangers from 381 disposals (DE: 69.9%)
Zach Merrett 51 clangers from 422 disposals (DE: 70.4%)
Dylan Shiel 48 clangers from 372 disposals (DE: 66.1%)
Tom Bellchambers 44 clangers from 155 disposals (DE: 68.4%)
Adam Saad 43 clangers from 268 disposals (DE: 80.2%)
Cale Hooker 38 clangers from 239 disposals (DE: 74.9%)
Andrew McGrath 36clangers from 310 disposals (DE: 72.9%)
Matt Guelfi 35 clangers from 183 disposals (DE: 64.5%)
Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti 34 clangers from 157 disposals (DE: 75.8%)
Michael Hurley 34 clangers from 310 disposals (DE: 78.4%)
David Zaharakis 34 clangers from 317 disposals (DE: 74.8%)
Conor McKenna 32 clangers from 294 disposals (DE: 76.2%)

Clangers: 873 (ranked 2nd in the league)
Disposals Efficiency: 71.4% (ranked 11th in the league)
Turnovers: 1141 (ranked 4th in the league)
1%ers: 757 (ranked 9th in the league)
Tackles i50: 149 (ranked 12th in the league)

Still stinking it up!!
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Re: Clanger Hangar 2019

Post by Windy Hille » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:26 pm

Must clean up our act. Imagine if we weren’t 2nd in clangers and 4th in turnovers! These are the things that can get you an extra win or two. If that were the case, we’d be entrenched in the 8.

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Re: Clanger Hangar 2019

Post by nudder12 » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:37 pm

Windy Hille wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:26 pm
Must clean up our act. Imagine if we weren’t 2nd in clangers and 4th in turnovers! These are the things that can get you an extra win or two. If that were the case, we’d be entrenched in the 8.
I think that's a bit simplistic really.
It might be true, but I'd also like to see where we are with scores from turnovers and scores against us from turnovers - and who knows what other stats are out there!!!
My point is, maybe it's our "risky" style that causes the clangers/turnovers, but do they actually hurt us on the scoreboard? And, if we didn't play that way maybe we wouldn't score as much either.

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Re: Clanger Hangar 2019

Post by Windy Hille » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:36 pm

nudder12 wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:37 pm
Windy Hille wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:26 pm
Must clean up our act. Imagine if we weren’t 2nd in clangers and 4th in turnovers! These are the things that can get you an extra win or two. If that were the case, we’d be entrenched in the 8.
I think that's a bit simplistic really.
It might be true, but I'd also like to see where we are with scores from turnovers and scores against us from turnovers - and who knows what other stats are out there!!!
My point is, maybe it's our "risky" style that causes the clangers/turnovers, but do they actually hurt us on the scoreboard? And, if we didn't play that way maybe we wouldn't score as much either.
Just to the naked eye, many of our turnovers end up being scores against. A few last week were complete transition from our forward line to a Swans rebound goal or behind.

I just believe if you want to be a top 4 side, you can’t be ranked 2nd in clangers + 4th in turnovers.

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Re: Clanger Hangar 2019

Post by grassy1 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:11 am

Absolutely Windy!

Our Skill Level has to be far better than before,if we are to advance further this season!

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